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Mental Defect
05/28/09 at 03:12:10
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OK - so I was thinking about Mental Defect and wanted to talk about mental illness in regard to Hellenic ethics.

In theory - if one is living ethically and correctly, then the light of the Gods will shine upon you and life will go according to plan - not without bumps in the road, but if we are living well we should have the ability to face adversity, and overcome.

My question is how people with mental illness fit into this category.  If one is suffering from Major Depression, Personality Disorder, Anxiety Disorders, etc - it seems that brain function would make it difficult if not impossible for some people (even with mild psychiatric disorders) to make the correct decisions and judgements to be able to act ethically.

I've never felt that mental illness was a good excuse to act like a butt - but if there is a medical reason that may not be completely treatable through medication and cognitive therapy - how does an Ethnikoi Hellene try to live well when they are lacking the ability to be able to do so?
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Re: Mental Defect
Reply #1 - 05/28/09 at 03:40:03
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Wow, an excellent and even rhetorical question.
I myself have an uncle with cationic and paranoid schizophrenia, and then I am what you would call neurotic, to say the least. Lips Sealed
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I know that Psychologists and Psychiatrists say that it is imperative that the person having trouble have a support system - I'm wondering if historically, the family helped a person with mental defect to make good decisions.

I just don't know if there is any historical information on how the mentally ill were treated in Ancient Greece.
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Re: Mental Defect
Reply #3 - 05/28/09 at 09:54:31
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The ancients were very clear with their approach to mental illness. They considered them all to be disturbances or afflictions of PSYCHE (soul).

A lot of the dis-orders such as Depression, Anxiety etc. would be treated as being caused by the 'evil eye'.

The more serious dis-orders such as Schizophrenia, Psychopathy, etc. would be considered to be inflictions by DAIMONES (spirits) and those plagued by them would be considered to be 'special' and often to be beloved of the Gods.

Let us not forget that many of these dis-orders occur due to lack of certain sensory in-put or a 'disconnection' with PHYSIS (nature) and as a result with the Gods.

Those suffering from social dis-orders such as a sociopathic tendencies would be a person who was disconnected from the DEMOS - the community DAIMON (spirit).
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_Lisa_ wrote on 05/28/09 at 04:17:42:
know that Psychologists and Psychiatrists say that it is imperative that the person having trouble have a support system - I'm wondering if historically, the family helped a person with mental defect to make good decisions.

I just don't know if there is any historical information on how the mentally ill were treated in Ancient Greece.  

If I recall anything from my abnormal psychology class long ago, in archaic Greece and Rome there was the theory of the humours, and out of balance humours being the result in mental afflictions of mood and temperament to say the lest. If I recall, generally the person was treated with certain diets and exercise regiments; the asylum being for the more unmanageable ones, generally.
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I would point to Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics (specifically Book VII, but the issue is addressed by other philosophers, including Plato).

I wrote in the past...
         We can perceive the evil committed by humanity as having two sources: through a mental or physical defect, or caused by a distorted concept of good shaped through ignorance. A person with a mental or physical defect is no more evil than any other creation of nature. As Sallustius states, “…if the soul is often made to err by the body, that is not surprising…the arts cannot perform their work when their instruments are spoilt.” An individual who performs acts of evil through ignorance is the result of poor parenting, an inferior education, and inclusion within social structures devoid of virtue. These concepts are not an attempt to excuse evil behavior, just explain the cause.
         We can acknowledge that those with a mental or physical defect, unable to control their passion and irrational nature can perform acts believed to be evil, but as we have discussed, this person’s soul, body, and mind cannot possibly be evil. This is nothing more than an abnormality causing an inability for the soul to control the body properly using the mind. There is an actual cause created by the imperfection of the mundane world disconnecting the sufferer from being unable to control their actions. (The Gods of Reason, page 85)
It then does not become a simple thing of a person who can control themselves and have the ability to withstand hardship and adversity are automatically good and praiseworthy, and those who cannot are automatically bad and blameworthy. We have to consider the inhibited person who knows that what he does is bad and struggles to control himself, and the person with natural endurance who refuses to restrain himself.
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I am actually diagnosed with severe OCD and Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and it does get in the way. I was always wondering about this.
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As long as we are airing our dirty laundry, I am Bipolar 1.  Embarrassed

Medication, therapy, and meditation have helped immensely, but I do still suffer from the occasional bouts of mania or clinical depression.  When I am at my worst I look to the examples of Hercules (who also suffered terrible bouts of madness for which he was doomed to make amends for) and Dionysus (who can inflict his devotees with a kind of ecstatic mania).  It is also one more reason I value the wise council of Athena so highly.  I suppose you could say that our reciprocity agreement boils down to me showing her great devotion and she keeping me sane!
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And I'm Bipolar 2. We run the gamut in our household.

The truth is, I still hold myself accountable to the same standards that I would if I weren't Bipolar. And, like my Glaux, I look to the Gods for the guidance and support.

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I am sadly, mildly autistic, Aspburger be exact. It is a hard illness to deal with... I also use to suffer major depression until I joined Hellenismos. But I don't have depression anymore so I'm happy Grin
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I my self have ADD, if you met me you would be able to tell that it is the real thing. Cheesy but until I found the gods i was even more distracted and lost. since finding them i have found it easier to focus and get my work done on time and manage my money and a whole bunch of other things.
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The key is accepting the gifts behind our curses. For instance, those with autism are able to perceive the world in a completely different way. Those with ADD usually are extremely intelligent. When a family supports its members, the burdens can be managed and the gifts utilized to achieve great things. That's why life is so hard in present times. Family has been degraded. That's why we need to support each other.
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One thing that Percy Jackson and the olympians had right was that ADD helps with battle reflexes...i know most of you don't like to hear that but as someone that has ADD it is true atleast for me and my brothers. i can take in everything that is happening during a paintball battle and adjust my teams and my own tactics accordingly. i am just giving an example of finding the gift amongst our curse. ( i believed that ADD helped with battles and fights long before Percy Jackson hit the scene)
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Exactly! Everyone has a role to play. That is the way of Hellenismos. Monotheists hate diversity, even if they can't see it themselves. We need diversity; it fuels our passions and makes us respect the works of the gods.
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Exactly. I never thought about that until today.

At least with my OCD, the house will never be disgusting or cluttered. And my anxiety... sure, I worry alot, but that's not really a bad thing.

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